FBI Juggalo Gang Court Hearing Audio

Here is the FBI Juggalo Gang Court Hearing audio from today!

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Joseph Bruce aka Violent J, left, and Joseph Utsler aka Shaggy 2 Dope, member of the Insane Clown Posse address the media in Detroit, Wednesday, Jan. 8, 2014. The rap metal group sued the U.S. Justice Department on Wednesday over a 2011 FBI report that describes the duo’s devoted fans, the Juggalos, as a dangerous gang, saying the designation has tarnished their fans’ reputations and hurt business. The American Civil Liberties Union filed the lawsuit in Detroit federal court on behalf of the group’s two members. (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio)

We don’t roll around with dead bodies hanging out of our car, and we aren’t gang members -Shaggy 2 Dope

The FBI Juggalo gang hearing was this morning in Cincinnati, Ohio.  As you read here this morning the Associated Press covered it briefly.

DETROIT (AP) – Insane Clown Posse’s next gig? A federal court.
It’s not a performance by the Detroit rap-metal duo, but arguments by lawyers who say Insane Clown Posse‘s fans have been unfairly targeted by police. A 2011 FBI report described fans as a “loosely organized hybrid gang.”
A Detroit federal judge last year said the U.S. Justice Department isn’t responsible for how authorities use a national report on gangs. An appeals court in Cincinnati is hearing arguments Thursday.
The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan says the free speech and due process rights of Insane Clown Posse and fans are being violated. The fans are known as Juggalos.
The two members of Insane Clown Posse are Joseph Bruce, known as Violent J, and Joseph Utsler, known as Shaggy 2 Dope.

“Whether or not we can defeat the FBI, that’s one thing,But it’s important that people know we are fighting it. We cannot just stand back and say, ‘Yes, that’s correct—the Juggalos are a gang.’ It’s like being called the bad guy out of everybody at the party. It’s like a big fat finger pointing down from the gods, saying: ‘Fuck you—you know you shouldn’t be here. Your fans aren’t fans; they’re a gang, and that makes you gang leaders—or some kind of shit.’ It’s scary to me. It’s not scary during the day, when I’m with my boys and talking about fighting it. But when I’m at home, chilling with my family, it’s so big to have the government say something like that about us.”  -Violent J

 

Listen to the audio from the FBI Juggalo gang hearing here:


Here is some more background on the case from the ACLU of Michigan.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan, along with the music duo Insane Clown Posse (ICP), appealed a federal judge’s order dismissing the Juggalos’ case against the Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Investigation. The lawsuit was originally filed in January on behalf of Juggalos, or fans of ICP, claiming that their constitutional rights to expression and association were violated when the U.S. government wrongly and arbitrarily classified the entire fan base as a “hybrid” criminal gang. Last week, U.S. District Judge Robert Cleland dismissed the lawsuit claiming that ICP and its fans lack standing — the legal requirement that forces individuals to prove they were harmed before they can sue. In this case, the judge stated that the Juggalos suffered harm at the hands of local law enforcement agencies and the U.S. Army, not the FBI. “The only way to remedy this injustice for all innocent Juggalos is to start with the root of the problem – the FBI’s arbitrary and erroneous branding of hundreds of thousands of music fans as gang members,” said Michael J. Steinberg, ACLU of Michigan legal director. “There is no doubt that the FBI created this problem and the solution begins there as well. Otherwise, we’ll be playing whack-o-mole to stop local law enforcement agencies from discriminating against our clients, when the agencies are just following the FBI’s lead.” The lawsuit was filed on behalf of four Juggalos and the two members of ICP and stems from a 2011 decision by the DOJ to include the fan group in the agency’s third National Gang Threat Assessment officially identifying Juggalos as a “hybrid gang.” As a result of this unjust designation, “individual Juggalos are suffering improper investigations, detentions and other denials of their personal rights at the hands of government officials” or denied employment. “This is not the end — we’ll keep fighting to clear the Juggalo family name,” said Joseph Bruce (aka Violent J), a member of ICP. “There has never been—and will never be—a music fan base quite like Juggalos, and while it is easy to fear what one does not understand, discrimination and bigotry against any group of people is just plain wrong and un-American.Juggalos are the self-identified fans of ICP. They often express their affinity for ICP by displaying the “hatchetman” logo and other ICP insignia on their clothing, jewelry, body art and bumper stickers. Juggalos often come together at concerts or their annual week-long summer gathering. They consider themselves a “family” of people who love and help one another and enjoy one another’s company. Juggalos are not an organized fan club, but a group of people who bond over the music and a philosophy of life, much like “Deadheads” bonded around the Grateful Dead. The federal government estimates that there are more than a million Juggalos in the United States. The ACLU of Michigan and ICP are asking the appeals court to overturn the judge’s order dismissing the case and to order the DOJ to remove the Juggalos from the government’s list of gangs so that the fans of ICP will no longer be unconstitutionally and unjustifiably singled out as targets for scrutiny and harassment by law enforcement authorities throughout the country. The lawsuit goes on to assert that the DOJ’s classification of the Juggalos as a gang is unconstitutionally vague and violates the Juggalos’ constitutional rights to association and speech. The Juggalos are represented by ACLU of Michigan attorneys including Michael J. Steinberg, Dan Korobkin, Kary Moss and ACLU cooperating attorney Saura J. Sahu, Emily Palacios and James Boufides of the law firm Miller, Canfield, Paddock and Stone. The members of the Insane Clown Posse are represented by Howard Hertz and Elizabeth Thomson of the firm Hertz Schram and Farris F. Haddad of Farris F. Haddad &Associates, P.C.

 

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  1. Whoop whoop

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    • Whoop whoop we fam not a gang

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  2. OK SO IF THE F.B.I. IS GOING TO YRY TO CONSIDER JUGGALOS A GANG WHAT ABOUT SOME IF THESE OTHER BANDS PEOPLE FOLLOW AS THEY ARE JUST FANS NOT A GANG, JUST BECAUSE THIS FAMILY IS NOT UNDERSTOOD BY OTHERS DONT MEAN SHIT…

    From Barbies to Maggots: The Nicknames of 25 Fan Bases
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    The world is full of obsessed music lovers – I just hope someday when throngs of admirers come to see me in concert (hopefully they like horrible singing), they have a nickname as cool as these.

    1. Fanilows – fans of Barry Manilow. The Fanilows have been around for quite some time, but really reached a pop culture high when a Will & Grace episode titled “Fanilow” outed Will as a Barry fan.

    2. Beliebers – fans of Justin Bieber. It appears that the “Belieber” tag came from the depths of Internet fandom, but some belieb the nickname was created by a malevolent force. Hey, you know who’s a Belieber? Johnny Depp.

    3. Little Monsters – fans of Lady Gaga. Would you believe Lady Gaga has only been using that term for her fans since the summer of 2009? The name is derived from her album The Fame Monster.

    4. Claymates – fans of Clay Aiken. Some of the Claymates even divide themselves into subcategories such as “Claysians.”

    5. Maggots – fans of Slipknot. Apparently the members of the band were inspired to call their fans by the descriptive name because of the way they writhed and squirmed during their shows.

    6. Black Stars – fans of Avril Lavigne.

    Avril uses this term to refer to her fans and her perfume.

    7. Blockheads – fans of New Kids on the Block. So what are fans of the newly-formed NKOTBSB called?

    8. Parrotheads – fans of Jimmy Buffett. But I hardly need to tell you that. Children of Parrotheads or younger Buffett fans are referred to as Parakeets. I consider myself the former.

    9. The Apple Scruffs – not just fans of the Beatles, but very specific fans that would be probably best classified as groupies. The Apple Scruffs waited outside of the Beatles’ Apple Corp offices for the Beatles to come an go, and even managed to get into Paul McCartney’s house to steal a pair of pants. They went in through the bathroom window… sound familiar?

    10. The Victims – fans of the Killers.

    11. Deadheads – fans of the Grateful Dead, of course. The first time the term appeared was in 1971 on the sleeve of their second live album:

    DEAD FREAKS UNITE: Who are you? Where are you? How are you? Send us your name and address and we’ll keep you informed. Dead Heads, P.O. Box 1065, San Rafael, California 94901.

    Famous Deadheads include Tony Blair (played in a Grateful Dead-esque band in college), Walter Cronkite (2 concerts, but he was good friends with dreamy Mickey Hart) and Ann Coulter (67 concerts).

    12. The Blue Army – fans of Aerosmith. Back in the mid-70s, the phrase referred to the masses of Aerosmith fans who came to concerts decked out in denim – jeans and jackets in particular. It was also meant to refer to their blue collar fan base. The term is still used, but Aerosmith also now has an official fan club called Aero Force One.

    13. The KISS Army – fans of KISS. One of the biggest fan clubs in the world started as the result of humble efforts by two fans who wanted their local radio station to play KISS music. When phone calls didn’t work, the duo started a letter-writing campaign, signing their pleas with the official-sounding titles of “president” and “field marshall” of the army.

    14. RihannaNavy – fans of Rihanna.

    15. Grobanites – fans of Josh Groban.

    16. Juggalo/Juggalette – fans of Insane Clown Posse. If you didn’t know that before this year, you probably heard the term after Charlie Sheen’s appearance at the annual Gathering of the Juggalos. The term comes from the band’s song “The Juggla.”

    17. Katy-Cats – fans of Katy Perry. Supposedly Perry came up with the name herself during the Hello Katy tour, which I can believe: she also named her real cat Kitty Purry.

    18. Swifties – fans of Taylor Swift. Go figure.

    19. Killjoys – fans of My Chemical Romance. From what I can tell (feel free to chime in, fans), Killjoys is a relatively new nickname based on the band’s latest album, Danger Days: The True Lives of the Fabulous Killjoys. Prior to that, most fans called themselves the MCR-my (and many still do).

    20. Sweet Ps – fans of Pia Toscano from American Idol.

    21. Barbies – fans of Nicki Minaj. Nicki explained the name in a 2009 interview:

    It’s like a term of endearment for me. “I used to call people sweetie and honey now I say Barbies. A lot of girls call themselves Barbies. Nicki Minaj did not invent that. People always add something to their Barbie name and because I love the Harajuku culture I made my Barbie the Harajuku Barbie, I thought it was unique and no one has ever said that kind of Barbie before. The girls ran with it, they gave it a life of its own. I never set out to be on no Barbie Movement. My Barbies made the barbie movement.”

    22. Phans – fans of Phish. Fans of Phantom of the Opera on Broadway are also known as Phans.

    23. Wayniacs – fans of Lil’ Wayne… and also Wayne Newton. I’m guessing it’s OK if they share a nickname since there’s probably not much overlap in fan base.

    24. Diamond Heads – fans of Neil Diamond.

    25. Taylors or Taylor Gang – fans of Wiz Khalifa. The rapper is obsessed with his Chuck Taylor shoes, and fans took note.

    – See more at: http://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php?id=28858#sthash.qZeJvb1Y.dpuf

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  3. were not a gang family 4life…whoop whoop

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  4. Did he really say eight people in Idaho running as a street gang ha that’s funny as hell

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